Project Debut Carbon vs Uturn Audio

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aragorn723

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Hi,

I'm looking for my first turntable, and have been considering the Pro-ject Debut Carbon and a custom Uturn Audio table.

Here's how I specd the Uturn:
Standard base
Ortofon 2M Red cartridge
Acrylic Platter
Cue

That comes out to $369

The Debut Carbon has an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge, steel platter, and of course a cue lever.  Two things it has which the Uturn doesn't-a carbon tonearm, and a ground point.  That's $400.  Does the Debut Carbon have greater potential to be a better sounding turntable?

Dave
 
Go for the Rega 1, I don't think you will regret it. At a later date perhaps go to a Nagoaka MP110 cartridge.

Excuse this guy's enthusiasm it's infectious. Check back through his cartridge reviews, all done at is own expense. Schitt phono amp gets the nod too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuuOgT0XBK0
 
I agree with Paul. I have a used Rega Planar 3. If you get something like that and really like vinyl there are tons of upgrades you can do to it. And if you decide vinyl isn't your cup of tea you won't loose money selling it. My 2 cents anyway.
 
The Regas are really nice.  My Dad has one.  A couple of years ago, he played Billy Joel's Piano Man.  I couldn't believe the clarity of the piano and the tightness of the bass.  I just wish the Rca cable wasn't integrated.  Granted its probably very high quality.  Just a pet peave.  Used does sound good, maybe Audiogon has something.

Dave

 
Check your local Craigslist.  Not a lot of sellers are excited about attempting to mail a turntable, even if the factory packaging is available.
 
I did some searching on there earlier.  Ideally it would be a fully manual, belt-driven turntable with no built in preamp.  Found a pro-ject for $200, but it had a preamp built in.  I would have thought turntables like that would be on the cheaper side.  It seems like the reverse is true.  The less expensive ones are automatic.  Wish I never threw out the Technics I used to have.

Dave
 
HI Dave,

I haven't tried a Uturn turntable, but I have the Pro-ject, and can say it's just fine and certainly a good place to start.  Pro-ject does offer tweaks (acrylic platter, speed box, etc.) to step up its performance, as well as upgrade options, not to mention their wide availability and competitive pricing.  The Debut is a nice, simple table; easy to use and not fiddly at all.

I agree with the other posters; getting a good used table is a great approach, especially since appropriately packing a turntable to survive shipping seems beyond the ken of many or even most sellers.  If the local Craigslist is unavailing, you might find a stereo store that handles used equipment.  In the Seattle area, for example, I was just in Hawthorne Stereo the other day and they had quite an assortment of used tables.  That's not to say turntables can't be shipped; they absolutely can; I've had no problems with shipments from online retailers, it's just the private-party sellers who've been spotty at best.

I'd say, though, that if you find you really enjoy vinyl, this first turntable may not be your last, so perhaps which particular choice is less important at this point than going for the first good one that comes along and jumping in.
 
+1 on the Project.  I have the Debut Carbon with the new platter and speed box.  I played the Orton Red for over a year and upgraded to the blue this year.  For the amount of vinyl I listen to it's perfect: stable, clear and not too expensive.
 
Hi,

I think I'd like to save up for a Rega.  Sounds like the last turntable I would need.  Would that be about the same level as my system?  Here's the components:

Quickie
Inter-m R500 solid state amp
1970's sony integrated (as phono stage thru tape loop)
Def Tech BP6B speakers

Would I need to upgrade anything else to get the most out of the Rega?

Dave
 
You've been kicking tires on an inexpensive turntable for over two years now...
 
You said you were amazed by the sound of an album you got a long time ago, what table were you using then?  Maybe you can pick one of those up used?  I just searched my local CL, and there are 20-30 acceptable budget turntables for less than $100. Back when you brought this up in 2015, the U-turn was recommended as well.  If you bring this up in 2019, the answer is likely to be very similar.
aragorn723 said:
Hi,

I have been thinking about getting into vinyl (which might sound strange to most for a 34 year old guy).  Anyways, I got an old Linda Ronstadt album on 33 years ago at a garage sale, and was amazed by the sound.  I would like to try it again, but don't have a turntable anymore (and don't really want to spend money to try it).  My main stereo is the Quickie feeding a large SS amp, but have an Onkyo HT unit with a phono stage and a Sony TA series from the 70's with a phono stage.  Starting to digress a bit, but does anybody know of a way to get a record player for free or for a relatively low cost?

Dave
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Starting to digress a bit, but does anybody know of a way to get a record player for free or for a relatively low cost?
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Go back in time about 15 years, before vinyl came back? I used to see them by the bucketful in thrifts stores in the late 90's and early 2000s.  Even today I can usually get two or three offers for tables if I offer to trade something for them.  Peebs is right, there's a ton of turntables for around $40 on the local CL.
 
Caucasian Blackplate said:
You've been kicking tires on an inexpensive turntable for over two years now...
 
You said you were amazed by the sound of an album you got a long time ago, what table were you using then?  Maybe you can pick one of those up used?  I just searched my local CL, and there are 20-30 acceptable budget turntables for less than $100. Back when you brought this up in 2015, the U-turn was recommended as well.  If you bring this up in 2019, the answer is likely to be very similar.
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Guilty as charged lol.  I lost interest for a while, then moved down south and have found a ton of local record stores, and popped in Billy Joel's piano man on their turntable which was amazing.  I also found out my old Sony Integrated that has a phono stage can be hooked up to the Quickie thru the tape monitor.  That was another potential obstacle (thought I needed to buy a phono preamp too). 

A $40 turntable would be ok.  The one turntable that sounded amazing was a Rega rp1 maybe?  My dad has one.  I guess I'm hesitant to buy a more expensive player from someone I don't know off Craigslist though.  That coupled with so many choices :-p

What would you consider an acceptable turntable under $100?

Does this look decent?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/ele/d/kenwood-automatic-turntable/6315694658.html

Looks fairly simple and is belt driven.  It has also been listed for quite a few weeks.

Dave
 
Or maybe this Onkyo? 

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ele/d/vintage-onkyo-cp-1200a-belt/6255179441.html

Still good price, and belt driven.  Looks like the cartridge is a standard mount too.  Can someone weigh in on the Onkyo and Kenwood?

Dave
 
Persuade your dad to upgrade and buy the Rega from him?  ;)

If you're buying something cheap from Craigslist best to be able to see and hear it working before handing over your cash. This regardless of the price. Have a new cartridge or stylus in your budget. Use the fact that the cartridge maybe old and unknown in your negotiations.
 
I cleaned up and gave my parents one of the Onkyos about 10 years ago - put a Grado on it and it worked great.  Actually, it was probably more like 15 years ago!  Anyway, it isn't being used and they have de-cluttered the house of records (I got them some Andy Williams Christmas CDs and some Jerry Vale - that's what they were missing.  They like to listen to the music channels on their cable tv system, so the receiver is hooked up to play tv audio), so I should probably rescue it. 
So it looks like a solid choice for a TT if it's working.  Or snag your dad's Rega! ;-)
 
Thanks for the list!  I like the Yamaha and Technics (the Yamaha tuner Looks pretty sweet too!) but wonder about the cartridges.  The Yamaha has a standard mount, but the Technics is a p mount.  Would it make sense to get the Yamaha over the Technics for that reason?  Looks like the are a lot more choices for standard cartridges.  Would it make sense to put something like an Ortofon 2M Red on the Yamaha?

Dave

 
How do you play 45's on these?  I understand the speed part (changing the speed with a switch or changing the belt to a different pulley).  Is an adapter needed on the center post to accommodate 45s?  Are those a standard piece, or table specific?  Thanks,

Dave
 
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