There's a red/black twisted pair of wires leaving the IEC power entry module and going towards the power supply board. If there's room, side one of those wires out of the PC board, then see if the fuse pops when you throw the power switch.
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I don't have easy access to the end of the wires that are soldered to the power board because the filament choke is in the way. So I desoldered the black lead from the N terminal on the IEC power entry module. I suppose that means I can't be sure if there's a short in the wiring between the power entry module and the power board though.
Installed a new fuse that I checked to confirm it was good. The red lead from PC-2 is still disconnected from terminal 16. And the 5670 is still plugged in to the amp. Turned power on and it didn't power up (expected since I disconnected the black lead from IEC power entry module). But at least the fuse didn't blow.
Installed a new fuse that I checked to confirm it was good. The red lead from PC-2 is still disconnected from terminal 16. And the 5670 is still plugged in to the amp. Turned power on and it didn't power up (expected since I disconnected the black lead from IEC power entry module). But at least the fuse didn't blow.
Yeah, that doesn't exactly test what I was looking for. I thought that perhaps there might be a short in the wiring going from the IEC inlet to the power transformer.
This amp ran without issue for 7 years and also ran even after the base was knocked in shipping. So I would SWAG that the problem stems from some change that occurred after that. I would suggest checking the rectifiers on the power supply board. It's a bit of a stretch but one could have been blown when a new tube was introduced, if the tube shorted.
rbc3
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OK I'll reconnect the black lead to the N terminal on the IEC power entry module and try to disconnect either red or black lead on the power supply board to check for shorts between the IEC power entry module and the power board. I'm not sure how successful I'll be in reconnecting later with such a tight space.
I'll also check all six Schottky rectifiers. Do I need to desolder them from the power board to test or is it OK to test while mounted on the PCB?
I'll also check all six Schottky rectifiers. Do I need to desolder them from the power board to test or is it OK to test while mounted on the PCB?
rbc3
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Red lead coming from PC-2 is desoldered from terminal 16. The black lead to the IEC power entry module is disconnected, fuse and tubes are not installed. Here's what I got for the Schotky rectifiers in circuit.
Left Amp (looking with front of amp with badge facing me) - the one blowing the fuse
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 205mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 161mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 196mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front inner) 161mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front inner) 195mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front outer) 206mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (left) 737mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (left) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (right) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (right) 734mV
Right Amp (looking with front of amp with badge facing me)
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 196mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 151mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 195mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front inner) 152mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front inner) 195mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front outer) 196mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (left) 737mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (left) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (right) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (right) 731mV
Left Amp (looking with front of amp with badge facing me) - the one blowing the fuse
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 205mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 161mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 196mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front inner) 161mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front inner) 195mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front outer) 206mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (left) 737mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (left) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (right) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (right) 734mV
Right Amp (looking with front of amp with badge facing me)
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear outer) 196mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 151mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (rear inner) 195mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front inner) 152mV
1N5818 1A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front inner) 195mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier black lead on silver stripe (front outer) 151mV
1N5820 3A Schottky rectifier red lead on silver stripe (front outer) 196mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (left) 737mV
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (left) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on rear facing pin (right) OL
Cree CSD 01060 600V 1A silicon carbide Schottky rectifer black lead on front facing pin (right) 731mV
rbc3
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I'm not sure why the digital display of my multimeter switches from the ohm symbol to an mV symbol when I switch it to diode test mode. The diode test setting on the dial is in the ohm section of the settings...
I was concerned that the four round rectifiers weren't working because they didn't read OT in one direction which is why I tested the right amp too.
Is it starting to sound like there is a short somewhere? What happens if one of the loose pins on the cracked four pin socket were to touch the chassis plate? Could that be the problem?
I was concerned that the four round rectifiers weren't working because they didn't read OT in one direction which is why I tested the right amp too.
Is it starting to sound like there is a short somewhere? What happens if one of the loose pins on the cracked four pin socket were to touch the chassis plate? Could that be the problem?
OK, your meter is simply reading mV. I think your rectifiers are OK based on your measurements. Rectifiers in a bridge circuit will always read below OL in either direction, because the meter is in effect also reading the "backwards" rectifier that is connected to the rectifier you are measuring. If they blow they can create pretty close to a dead short so you would probably see a measurement much lower on the bad rectifier than on the good ones.
Actually it has sounded like a short is the problem from the beginning, but what is shorted is still the mystery. If one of the pins of the four pin socket is touching the chassis, that's a serious shorting problem that could certainly take out a fuse. If that is something that needs to be addressed I would make it the next priority.
Actually it has sounded like a short is the problem from the beginning, but what is shorted is still the mystery. If one of the pins of the four pin socket is touching the chassis, that's a serious shorting problem that could certainly take out a fuse. If that is something that needs to be addressed I would make it the next priority.
Yup, that would be what it is doing if it reads in mV. Same thing applies as measuring resistance, it will be confused by the bridge arrangement. If a four pin socket pin is possibly contacting the chassis, that would be the best place to next focus your examination.
rbc3
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OK. I wired up a new 4 pin socket. Here's the photo.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7x4q8p7xg3xgml9/20150430_171447.jpg?dl=0
I resoldered the black lead to the N terminal on the IEC power entry module. I resoldered the red lead from PC-2 to terminal 16. The 5670 is not plugged in. I checked to confirm the fuse was good. Powered up the amp. Powered off, checked fuse... blown.
On the power supply board, I desoldered the red line that comes from the IEC power entry module (next to FC-1). It was a tight squeeze, but I managed to get in there with some needle nose pliers to pull off the wire. I replaced the fuse with a tested good one. Turned the power on. Turned power off, checked fuse... not blown. So there's no short in the lines going to the power supply board.
I suppose we've narrowed it down to the power supply board itself. If the Schottky rectifiers on the PS board are OK, then maybe it's something else on the board? I could also do the same for the leads coming off the PC board, which we haven't determined aren't causing a short.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7x4q8p7xg3xgml9/20150430_171447.jpg?dl=0
I resoldered the black lead to the N terminal on the IEC power entry module. I resoldered the red lead from PC-2 to terminal 16. The 5670 is not plugged in. I checked to confirm the fuse was good. Powered up the amp. Powered off, checked fuse... blown.
On the power supply board, I desoldered the red line that comes from the IEC power entry module (next to FC-1). It was a tight squeeze, but I managed to get in there with some needle nose pliers to pull off the wire. I replaced the fuse with a tested good one. Turned the power on. Turned power off, checked fuse... not blown. So there's no short in the lines going to the power supply board.
I suppose we've narrowed it down to the power supply board itself. If the Schottky rectifiers on the PS board are OK, then maybe it's something else on the board? I could also do the same for the leads coming off the PC board, which we haven't determined aren't causing a short.
rbc3
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OK, now I feel I'm on to something! I resoldered the red lead going from the IEC power entry module to the power board. I desoldered the red lead from the power board that's going to FC-1. I desoldered the red lead at the power board that's going to 16U. And I desoldered the red lead from the power board that's going to the 9 pin socket B1. I rechecked the fuse to ensure it's good. Plugged in the amp. Powered it on. Powered it off, and check the fuse... it's good!
I also checked the voltage at each of those three points that I desoldered the red leads. The point on the power board at which the red lead is going to FC-1 is 6.8 volts. The point at which the red lead is going to 16U is 580 volts (seems high since the manual states 457 volts at terminal 16). The point at which the red lead is going to socket B1 is 0 volts, which seems odd.
I believe that means the power board is OK and there's a short somewhere coming off the power board. I hope I'm on to something. I think my next step is to reconnect each red lead, one at a time and then I can isolate which path the short or problem might be down.
I also checked the voltage at each of those three points that I desoldered the red leads. The point on the power board at which the red lead is going to FC-1 is 6.8 volts. The point at which the red lead is going to 16U is 580 volts (seems high since the manual states 457 volts at terminal 16). The point at which the red lead is going to socket B1 is 0 volts, which seems odd.
I believe that means the power board is OK and there's a short somewhere coming off the power board. I hope I'm on to something. I think my next step is to reconnect each red lead, one at a time and then I can isolate which path the short or problem might be down.
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I'm astounded! I resoldered the red lead lead from FC-1 to the power board. Checked the fuse, good. Powered up. powered down. Fuse is still good! I resoldered the red lead from 16U. Powered up. Powered down. Fuse still good! I thought, well it must be a short in the heater line for the 9 pin socket. I resoldered the red lead from B1. Powered up. Powered down. Fuse still good! I plugged the original tubes in and powered up and they lit up! No blown fuse. I cant check for audio because it's too late tonight and I have kids. But tomorrow morning I might be back in business! Woohoo!
PS I swapped out the stock 4 pin socket in the right amp too so now they both have gold plated copper 4-pin bakelite sockets. I know it's way overkill but they're looking pretty good with everything but the 9-pin sockets as gold plated copper, Cardas binding posts and Vampire RCA sockets.
PS I swapped out the stock 4 pin socket in the right amp too so now they both have gold plated copper 4-pin bakelite sockets. I know it's way overkill but they're looking pretty good with everything but the 9-pin sockets as gold plated copper, Cardas binding posts and Vampire RCA sockets.
Well, I wish I could say I knew what exactly happened, but I can't really find a pattern when I go back over the posts. Could have been some intermittent short, or maybe it was the socket issue and the start up inrush of the caps after being discharged for a while was just enough to pop that final fuse after you did the replacement. Anyway I am glad you got it running! Good job of staying at it, that's what separates a good tech from a mediocre one.
