If I wanted to build an SR45...

The Junior is the same winding, on a shorter stack of laminations (1.25" instead of 1.75"), so the impedance ratio is identical. Mike doesn't keep them in stock, but does a run every so often. The BH-5 is the same winding schedule, with different insulating materials. The leakage inductance and capacitance are both a bit smaller, so the high frequency performance is better. The power handling at low frequencies is reduced by the smaller core - not a problem with the 45.

Transformer cores are overloaded by excess voltage at low frequencies, independent of whether the speaker can reproduce those frequencies. Any overload distortion will intermodulate with sounds that are reproduced, you need to limit the low frequency power applied to the transformer to avoid this distortion. In the case of phonograph (and tape, with NAB eq) there is a built-in limitation, effectively a roll off below 50Hz. You can't always count on this with digital recordings, however. Additional protection is provided by the plate choke and parafeed capacitor, usually in the range of 10Hz-20Hz.

Sorry I'm unable to provide useful specific criteria. I am generally happy with a transformer that can provide the amplifier's rated power at 30Hz with 13000 Gauss of flux, using a M6 grain-oriented silicon steel core. The stock Paramour and Paramour II compromised on this, delivering full power down to around 60Hz, yet was satisfactory to a large majority of customers for many years. At the other end, many people prefer amps which can handle full power down to 20Hz or even 15Hz. For 50% nickel cores, you have to asses it at lower flux density, some use 8000 Gauss and others 10000 Gauss - about 40% and 60% as much power, respectively.

I have tried to balance the plate chokes and output transformers in our kits - a small transformer benefits from a small plate choke which gives a higher cutoff frequency, even though the other benefits of parafeed are reduced by a small choke. But swapping chokes is certainly practical as long as you are alert for the possible effects. The optimal parafeed capacitor value is proportional to the choke inductance, though I have adjusted the production value in some cases - most notably the stock Paramour where 1.25uF is optimal but I used 3.3uF - this deviated from optimum to provide a deeper bass cutoff frequency, at the price of potential transformer overload.

I suppose this muddied the waters more than clarifying things - sorry for that.
 
Hi Paul,

Thanks, and yes this does help.  It's not crystal clear, but not muddy either.

Elcraigo, thanks for the offer and info and I'll let you know when and if I need more help.

Actually, it seems as if all of this is moot for the time being anyway as there are no orders being taken at MQ, and I also suspect there are no more SR boards to be had.

-- Jim

 
Jim, I do run mine full range. Most often with a pair of the Hornshoppe  Horns. I sometimes add a sub but my Horns are well away from the corners and walls, so a little help in the bass doesn't hurt.

Paul mentioned new boards, which would be a help but the SR boards were not specific to the SR but were an existing C4S board with some component changes and jumpers...John 
 
would the PGP 8.1 PT work for the SR45 ?..... these are awesome amps....I also added the BCP-16 nickel grid chokes to mine ....and while probably not optimal, I dropped in a pair of EXO-36 cobalt OPT's for a listen verses the BH-5 nickel stripe OPT's..... sounded good to me
 
The PGP8 puts out a lot more voltage, so the operating points would have to be revised significantly. It would still be the same amp, other than different resistors, capacitors, iron, power supply, and topology.  :^) Haha
 
Paul, you are so nice to take such a round-about way to say NO....wasn't there a 45 amp called the "single" that is similar to the SR45 where these PT would work?....I was digging around in some parts I have and came across some CP-06006 chokes (40 madc, 50 H, 550 ohms dcr) that look like a better fit for the SR45 from the info you spec'ed....maybe I can try those out soon
 
There was an article called the "Simple 45" that was a 45 version of the circuit that John Tucker and I developed back on the late 90's for 2A3s. It does not use shunt regulation, and it was direct coupled with the active loaded driver tube sitting "under" the 45 tube. It was originally published in VALVE (which I hope to publicly archive on the Bottlehead site some day) and I believe it may currently be available through the Enjoy the Music website.
 
I don't recall any amp called "single" - not that my memory is all that great! But we've only done the one fully shunt regulated amp, plus a one-off custom 2A3 amp which was quite a challenge.

The PGP8.1 can support a fully shunt regulated 45 design, possibly even one that is direct coupled. I'm just saying that I have not designed such an amp, and the PGP8.1 won't work with the amp(s) that I have already designed. The issue is mostly the voltage and power dissipation capability of available transistors in the current sources.

If I recall correctly (see memory comment above) the CP-06006 is essentially a prototype for the BH-2 plate choke used in the SEX amp upgrade package. It is perfectly suited for a 45. The starting point for several chokes was the BCP-15, 40 henries at 50mA. for the BH-2 it was re-gapped to give 50 henries at 40mA, and the internal construction was altered with superior materials and construction which are Magnequest proprietary. The same materials alteration with the original 50mA/40henry air gap, is the BH-6 plate choke in the Paramour upgrade package. Mike now offers your choice of air gaps on the BCP-15, so there are four current versions, all using variants of the same core and coil.
 
Paul and others,

This is the amp that I asked about a couple weeks ago and has more information posted in the "My Next Project -- Tucker 45 monos" in the general discussion area.

So, who makes this CP06006 choke?  That would be lovely for my SR45 -- if it's not a currently unobtanium MQ piece, that is.

Thanks,

Jim
 
It's a Magnequest product, not listed. I think Mike only used that designation until we all agreed to call it a BH-2.

Mike said he would be out for a few months, so I kind of expect him to start taking orders again pretty soon. Right now I think he's snowed in with nearly two feet of snow in Philly ...  :^)
 
Paul,

Yes, a lot of the east coast was hammered.  A couple feet of snow in Philly should bring things to a grinding halt for about a month :-).  I grew up not far from Philly and that much snow is tantamount to a national disaster there.

-- Jim
 
There was an article called the "Simple 45" that was a 45 version of the circuit that John Tucker and I developed back on the late 90's for 2A3s. It does not use shunt regulation, and it was direct coupled with the active loaded driver tube sitting "under" the 45 tube. It was originally published in VALVE (which I hope to publicly archive on the Bottlehead site some day) and I believe it may currently be available through the Enjoy the Music website.

It's on positive feedback:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue1/single.htm

The article doesn't call it "Simple". I think that was a nickname it got later. Cool and "Simple" amps that sound very nice (I built a pair which I later dismantled to cannibalize some parts).
 
Damn, just lost my post, I think if someone is replying while you are typing the forum drops yours, or something.
Anyway, I would like to build a SR-2A3, maybe using a 6V6 at the shunt tube. Paul, if you have any hints it would be appreciated. I often plug in a set of new 2A3
 
John,

And I'm here in Boulder and it's 64 degrees and sunny out.  We've had almost no snow at all this year, and temparatures more like Seattle area -- 40s/50s.  I've been here 16 years now and this is by far the most bizarre winter we've had.

An SR 2a3 sounds lovely too.

-- Jim
 
To make a SR 2A3 you need a minimum of 80mA supplying the shunt regulator - more is better. Regulated voltage will be (let's say) 380v. Allowing 5% compliance and another 20% for possible power line variations (+/-10%), the current source feeding the regulator must dissipate 9 watts, minimum. If your power supply voltage is a bit higher than optimum, it will be more. You can't reliably dissipate that much power with a TO-220 transistor unless you have a very large heat sink - around 10 cubic inches volume, and well ventilated for convection cooling. Incidentally, you must allow for the possibility that the mounting washer will fail, placing the heat sink at 400-500vDC, so it must be protected from accidental contact - without interfering with the ventilation.

That's an example of what I meant when I said "The issue is mostly the voltage and power dissipation capability of available transistors in the current sources" in a previous post in this thread. All these are solvable problems, but it would take a lot of engineering time to solve them in a safe and reliable way.
 
Doc, Xcortes - that's the one...single / simple, looks like a nice 45 amp to build....thanks Paul for the history of the cp-06006....actually I think I bought those from Xcortes....Jim - you can not go wrong with the SR45...it is a fantastic amp....I switch between my 2A3 Horus w/ exo-36 cobalt OPT's (see the Magnequest site) and the SR45 and the SR45 every bit as good....
 
awsjr,

Thanks for the note and another thumbs up for the SR45.  The Horus has always been another of those amps that has caught my fancy, though I've never heard one, and from what I understand, the cobalt transformers are no longer available at all, so no need to worry about that.  The SR45 should make a fine match for my office system, which is where I do my serious listening and where all the best gear endss up.

-- Jim
 
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